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		<title>Comment on Blogging 101: Conducting interviews for media by Bruce Byfield</title>
		<link>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/2010/03/10/blogging-101-conducting-interviews-for-media/comment-page-1/#comment-73760</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Byfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice piece, Zonker. 

The only thing I would add is: &quot;Learn to listen.&quot; Contrary to what many people think, an interview is not about the interviewer. If you can get a person talking freely, you can not only get around to many of the points you wanted to cover anyway, but also a few that you would have never discovered if you insisted on keeping to a structured interview. Most people love talking about what they are passionate about, and, once you get them warmed up, you often need to say surprisingly little to get the material that you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece, Zonker. </p>
<p>The only thing I would add is: "Learn to listen." Contrary to what many people think, an interview is not about the interviewer. If you can get a person talking freely, you can not only get around to many of the points you wanted to cover anyway, but also a few that you would have never discovered if you insisted on keeping to a structured interview. Most people love talking about what they are passionate about, and, once you get them warmed up, you often need to say surprisingly little to get the material that you want.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blogging 101: Conducting interviews for media by Michael Sandahl</title>
		<link>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/2010/03/10/blogging-101-conducting-interviews-for-media/comment-page-1/#comment-73747</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sandahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Nice article and well written.  I&#039;ve enjoyed reading your posts on journalism/blogging, and hopefully more people starting out will heed your advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Nice article and well written.  I've enjoyed reading your posts on journalism/blogging, and hopefully more people starting out will heed your advice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Peak vs. Pique by Wally Ford</title>
		<link>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/2007/02/26/peak-vs-pique/comment-page-2/#comment-73741</link>
		<dc:creator>Wally Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brianna:  NO! That is just one of the definitions and not the most common.  The most common (as one may guess from the topic of the post by Mr. Brockheimer.

What do I do about my friend who is always commenting on my Facebook posts, but misspelling words or using improper grammar?  What led me here was her misspelling of &quot;piqued&quot; (as &quot;peaked&quot;).  I don&#039;t want to permanently hide her, but I don&#039;t want to embarrass her either.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brianna:  NO! That is just one of the definitions and not the most common.  The most common (as one may guess from the topic of the post by Mr. Brockheimer.</p>
<p>What do I do about my friend who is always commenting on my Facebook posts, but misspelling words or using improper grammar?  What led me here was her misspelling of "piqued" (as "peaked").  I don't want to permanently hide her, but I don't want to embarrass her either.</p>
<p>Wally</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comcast digital voice? by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t agree with you Jason. If it was true, the system would not work at all.
The modem actually converts digital frequencies into electric pulses that go through the regular electric wires regardless of their age. The problem with comcast digital voice is the inherit problem of VOIP technology and can&#039;t be solved by comcast. That what we get with internet telephones. Of cause, comcast would never admit that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t agree with you Jason. If it was true, the system would not work at all.<br />
The modem actually converts digital frequencies into electric pulses that go through the regular electric wires regardless of their age. The problem with comcast digital voice is the inherit problem of VOIP technology and can't be solved by comcast. That what we get with internet telephones. Of cause, comcast would never admit that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finding sources for FLOSS projects: Make it easy! by Henri Yandell</title>
		<link>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/2010/03/05/finding-sources-for-floss-projects-make-it-easy/comment-page-1/#comment-73702</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Yandell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 06:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply Joe.

I&#039;m not arguing PR/marketing down as a less important role than others. It&#039;s critical for a project to understand the PR and marketing it&#039;s doing; and wants to do. I do think that all but the largest projects should be looking at learning about PR/marketing instead of trying to get specialists; but I&#039;d argue that for startups too.

My gut dislike is the idea that &#039;mainstream&#039; PR and marketing is the way to go. These areas need reinvention in the same way that 90s proprietary developers have been reinvented. Rapid response spokespeople are an anti-pattern, grass roots has proven far more valuable yet I keep getting the feeling that projects get stars in their eyes when the mainstream media comes knocking and don&#039;t think about how better to encourage the grass roots success they&#039;ve had.

Reflecting on things - my basic disagreement is what I think you mean by mainstream. Mainstream media _is_ critical - mainstream media like Facebook, Twitter, your user community and the major blogs your potential user/contributor community read. What you have to focus on is not wasting your time on the non-valuable media like newspapers, TV networks and tech magazines.

I also often get the feeling that when people talk about mainstream media they are focused on more users - not sure if that&#039;s your focus or not. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the critical piece in the (fully open) Open Source projects - the grass roots flywheel works well for users. It&#039;s presumably a bigger deal for the transparent projects where no committer is allowed who doesn&#039;t work for the copyright owning entity; in that case getting users is the only area of interest.  For the classic Open Source projects, the biggest issue is turning users into contributors into committers. Possibly I&#039;m arguing that much more than PR/marketing, you need HR/training folk.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply Joe.</p>
<p>I'm not arguing PR/marketing down as a less important role than others. It's critical for a project to understand the PR and marketing it's doing; and wants to do. I do think that all but the largest projects should be looking at learning about PR/marketing instead of trying to get specialists; but I'd argue that for startups too.</p>
<p>My gut dislike is the idea that 'mainstream' PR and marketing is the way to go. These areas need reinvention in the same way that 90s proprietary developers have been reinvented. Rapid response spokespeople are an anti-pattern, grass roots has proven far more valuable yet I keep getting the feeling that projects get stars in their eyes when the mainstream media comes knocking and don't think about how better to encourage the grass roots success they've had.</p>
<p>Reflecting on things - my basic disagreement is what I think you mean by mainstream. Mainstream media _is_ critical - mainstream media like Facebook, Twitter, your user community and the major blogs your potential user/contributor community read. What you have to focus on is not wasting your time on the non-valuable media like newspapers, TV networks and tech magazines.</p>
<p>I also often get the feeling that when people talk about mainstream media they are focused on more users - not sure if that's your focus or not. I don't think that's the critical piece in the (fully open) Open Source projects - the grass roots flywheel works well for users. It's presumably a bigger deal for the transparent projects where no committer is allowed who doesn't work for the copyright owning entity; in that case getting users is the only area of interest.  For the classic Open Source projects, the biggest issue is turning users into contributors into committers. Possibly I'm arguing that much more than PR/marketing, you need HR/training folk.<br />
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		<title>Comment on Finding sources for FLOSS projects: Make it easy! by Joe Brockmeier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Brockmeier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Henri, I think you answer your own questions in your last graf: You&#039;re taking me out of context. If you don&#039;t feel it&#039;s important to your project, then just disregard. 

Yes, projects can have spokespeople. No, you&#039;re not going to &quot;break&quot; journalists of habits. No, you&#039;re not going to change the &quot;I&#039;m publishing today&quot; problem. If a project cares about reaching mainstream users, it needs to work in a way that&#039;s compatible with reaching &quot;mainstream&quot; (here I&#039;m really talking about IT press) press. Good luck &quot;breaking&quot; journalists of a habit. What will happen instead is that your project won&#039;t get the coverage it deserves. 

It&#039;s pretty clear from your response that you see PR and marketing as less specialized than other skills. That&#039;s a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Henri, I think you answer your own questions in your last graf: You're taking me out of context. If you don't feel it's important to your project, then just disregard. </p>
<p>Yes, projects can have spokespeople. No, you're not going to "break" journalists of habits. No, you're not going to change the "I'm publishing today" problem. If a project cares about reaching mainstream users, it needs to work in a way that's compatible with reaching "mainstream" (here I'm really talking about IT press) press. Good luck "breaking" journalists of a habit. What will happen instead is that your project won't get the coverage it deserves. </p>
<p>It's pretty clear from your response that you see PR and marketing as less specialized than other skills. That's a shame.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taking Command of the Terminal with GNU Screen by Michael Sandahl</title>
		<link>http://www.dissociatedpress.net/2010/02/11/taking-command-of-the-terminal-with-gnu-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-73688</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sandahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Byobu does make Screen easier to configure, but if you take the time it is fairly easy to set up Screen exactly as you like. I like Byobu, but there are some settings I would like to have a bit more control over.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Finding sources for FLOSS projects: Make it easy! by Henri Yandell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henri Yandell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 08:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe,

You make some assumptions that I think should have better proofs.

Firstly you make the assumption that a project should/can have a spokesperson, and that there is a value in that spokesperson making time for a mainstream news journalist. I can see these being easy in some projects and much harder/less valuable in others. Part of that depends on what &#039;mainstream&#039; means, I suspect it&#039;s really that there&#039;s value in each project finding a way to connect with journalists (be they old style or just community bloggers) with a larger (and relevant) audience than the project currently achieves.

One of my complaints on making time for mainstream news is that it can be too mainstream - you&#039;re not reaching anyone who cares. Admittedly this is the opposite of the usual problem, but you as a volunteer just burnt time for no real value. 

Another question is whether it&#039;s better to support the journalists closer to your community - instead of talking to the journalist should you encourage them to work through those who grok your project. Effectively ditch the &#039;spokesperson&#039; notion and use volunteers from your user base as a journalist source. 

The notion that you can have a spokesperson is also a stretch. If it&#039;s a community run project then the correct voice is that of the community&#039;s. That the hypothetical mainstream journalist doesn&#039;t get that doesn&#039;t imply the community should change. My suspicion is that there is a habit of confidentiality that leads journalists to not want to discuss their story in advance on a public list. This isn&#039;t open, so I&#039;m increasingly believing we should be breaking them of that. The deadlines also fit into this - I&#039;ve seen &quot;I&#039;m publishing today&quot; far too often, I&#039;m sorry but volunteer projects don&#039;t run on Internet time in that way; something needs to change.

Another assumption I think you fall prey to is that of project role specialization. The notion that developers should focus on development and projects should add PR staff, advertisers, graphic designers, product managers etc. There is room for out-sourcing specialization, legal counsel and graphic design definitely are two high value tactical yet low value in-house areas. Project and product management, marketing, PR are something that open source developers are completely capable of embracing and the favoring of a specialized developer vs a jack of all trades creator is something I&#039;d like to see challenged more often. There&#039;s nothing wrong and lots right with developers learning about their business in the right way - it&#039;s a great use of their time.

I&#039;ll admit I&#039;m probably taking you somewhat out of context - you discuss Gnome and openSUSE, large projects where specialization does start to have benefits in much the same way that Mozilla (to a larger degree) need these roles filled with specialists and definitely need to talk to a more mainstream press than the rest of us (probably not tabloids, but definitely the rest of the newspapers and major television news networks).
.-= Henri Yandell&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.generationjava.com/roller/bayard/entry/ubuntu-linux-910-on-dell-hybrid&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ubuntu Linux 9.10 on Dell Hybrid&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p>
<p>You make some assumptions that I think should have better proofs.</p>
<p>Firstly you make the assumption that a project should/can have a spokesperson, and that there is a value in that spokesperson making time for a mainstream news journalist. I can see these being easy in some projects and much harder/less valuable in others. Part of that depends on what 'mainstream' means, I suspect it's really that there's value in each project finding a way to connect with journalists (be they old style or just community bloggers) with a larger (and relevant) audience than the project currently achieves.</p>
<p>One of my complaints on making time for mainstream news is that it can be too mainstream - you're not reaching anyone who cares. Admittedly this is the opposite of the usual problem, but you as a volunteer just burnt time for no real value. </p>
<p>Another question is whether it's better to support the journalists closer to your community - instead of talking to the journalist should you encourage them to work through those who grok your project. Effectively ditch the 'spokesperson' notion and use volunteers from your user base as a journalist source. </p>
<p>The notion that you can have a spokesperson is also a stretch. If it's a community run project then the correct voice is that of the community's. That the hypothetical mainstream journalist doesn't get that doesn't imply the community should change. My suspicion is that there is a habit of confidentiality that leads journalists to not want to discuss their story in advance on a public list. This isn't open, so I'm increasingly believing we should be breaking them of that. The deadlines also fit into this - I've seen "I'm publishing today" far too often, I'm sorry but volunteer projects don't run on Internet time in that way; something needs to change.</p>
<p>Another assumption I think you fall prey to is that of project role specialization. The notion that developers should focus on development and projects should add PR staff, advertisers, graphic designers, product managers etc. There is room for out-sourcing specialization, legal counsel and graphic design definitely are two high value tactical yet low value in-house areas. Project and product management, marketing, PR are something that open source developers are completely capable of embracing and the favoring of a specialized developer vs a jack of all trades creator is something I'd like to see challenged more often. There's nothing wrong and lots right with developers learning about their business in the right way - it's a great use of their time.</p>
<p>I'll admit I'm probably taking you somewhat out of context - you discuss Gnome and openSUSE, large projects where specialization does start to have benefits in much the same way that Mozilla (to a larger degree) need these roles filled with specialists and definitely need to talk to a more mainstream press than the rest of us (probably not tabloids, but definitely the rest of the newspapers and major television news networks).<br />
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		<title>Comment on Finding sources for FLOSS projects: Make it easy! by Colin Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been a fan of a &quot;Download Here&quot; arrow to the binary packages or apt-url with a &quot;Download our source for free! It&#039;s open!&quot; underneath with another link to &quot;What does open source mean?&quot; next to it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've always been a fan of a "Download Here" arrow to the binary packages or apt-url with a "Download our source for free! It's open!" underneath with another link to "What does open source mean?" next to it.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Colin Dean&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feeds.cad.cx/~r/TheFlowOfConsciousness/~3/ryDalzMy8Nk/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/feeds.cad.cx/_r/TheFlowOfConsciousness/_3/ryDalzMy8Nk/?referer=');">Unlocking Kazuya in Tekken 2 the easy way</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.dissociatedpress.net/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Comcast digital voice? by Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had nothing but trouble with digital voice.  I am &quot;glad&quot; to find out that this residence doesn&#039;t have some oddball ideosyncratic problem.  ...Numerous incidents with no dialtone.  Couple of days ago, out almost the entire day.  Problem with the other caller not being able to hear me while I can hear them.  Busy signal when I pick up the phone.  Feedback.  Numerous service calls..yesterday three Comcast trucks here to &quot;diagnose the neighborhood&quot;.  Claimed they finally detected that it had &quot;something to do with the neighbor&quot; - like lines crossed.  Said the problem would not recurr.  Well, it did, last night.  Now today, caller ID malfunctioning.  I have had it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had nothing but trouble with digital voice.  I am "glad" to find out that this residence doesn't have some oddball ideosyncratic problem.  ...Numerous incidents with no dialtone.  Couple of days ago, out almost the entire day.  Problem with the other caller not being able to hear me while I can hear them.  Busy signal when I pick up the phone.  Feedback.  Numerous service calls..yesterday three Comcast trucks here to "diagnose the neighborhood".  Claimed they finally detected that it had "something to do with the neighbor" - like lines crossed.  Said the problem would not recurr.  Well, it did, last night.  Now today, caller ID malfunctioning.  I have had it!</p>
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